General Eligibility Criteria for Certification:

  • CRM® Basic Training. The Basic Training must be taken twice. The second time may be fulfilled by watching the Basic Training recorded in the summer of 2020,
  • CRM® Advanced Core Self,
  • Advanced Case Conceptualization and Treatment of DDNOS and DID
  • A minimum of 36 sessions of personal work with a CRM® Certified Practitioner or with a CRM therapist referred specifically by Lisa Schwarz or Elisa Elkin-Cleary. If more personal sessions are deemed necessary, this will be discussed between the provider and the therapist seeking certification.
  • 36 consultation hours with a CRM® Consultant, unless more is deemed necessary by the consultant. 16 of them may be completed in a CRM® consultation group format.
  • 6 hours of each consultation and personal work can be applied after attendance at a 5 day intensive with Lisa Schwarz, developer of CRM®.
  • A minimum of 3 CRM® processing sessions which will include one Core Self session video taped, (completed at varying intervals throughout certification process). Each taped session should be forwarded with the therapist’s written reflections on their work in the taped session. In the following consultation meeting, the therapist and CRM® Consultant will review the feedback from the taped session.
  • Once a clinician meets the above requirements, the CRM® Approved Consultant will submit a summary of hours and content that speaks to the therapist’s ability to meet and address the criteria required by CRM® LLC for certification.
  • The personal work provider will attest to the therapists completion of personal work hours and will put forth their recommendation for the therapist to be a Certified CRM® Practitioner. Confidentiality will be upheld in regard to the therapists personal work.
  • The summary and recommendations will be reviewed with the Director of Training and Development, Elisa Elkin-Cleary, for final certification approval.

Trainings and study group attended from 2017 forward will count towards CRM® Certification. For more information, contact Elisa Elkin-Cleary at

The following guidelines are provided to those licensed providers who are working towards attaining CRM® Certification.

CRM® Guidelines for Certification

Areas being Assessed:

  • The therapist’s understanding of dissociation and their ability to recognize and observe dissociative phenomena within their clinical practice.
  • How the therapist’s recognition of dissociative phenomena informs their CRM work with clients. (Overall conceptualization of symptom presentation and treatment)
  • The therapist’s ability to: recognize defense responses (fight, flight, freeze, hide, avoid, submit, collapse and dissociate); accurately describe what they are targeting in their work with clients; define their clinical plan; and understand the relationship between the three.
  • The therapist’s conceptualization of the client’s desire to heal and to take responsibility for their healing.
  • The therapist’s understanding of where their client’s issues are sourced.
  • The therapist’s knowledge and understanding of client’s defense responses including the defense response’s relationship to the presenting problem/symptoms/diagnoses.
  • Demonstrate awareness in their work with clients regarding how the symptom is manifested from a defense response/s.
    The therapist’s ability to articulate where clients are in their overall work. (e.g., the therapist’s ability to assess and articulate clients: willingness to change their relationship with self; willingness to do homework; ability/capacity to be awake and embodied; functioning as Adult Self; and their awareness of the degree to which obstacles are impacting sessions, life, progress in healing, etc.) The therapist’s understanding of where clients are in their work is important in their conceptualization of overall treatment.
  • The therapist’s understanding of embodiment.
  • The therapist’s understanding and conceptualization of obstacles. (this includes but it not limited to: subtle and overt fears; identifying and working with paradox; identifying and working with attachment to the story and attachment to the outcome).
  • The therapist’s ability to assess, articulate, and understand where their client is in their relationship with self. Understanding this is important in the conceptualization of ego state functioning within the client’s system.
  • The therapist’s ability to articulate intentional use of processing vs. talking sessions.
  • The therapist’s use of CRM scaffold and resources: attuning to their client’s need for resources; and layering appropriate resources using all of the resource dolls/scaffold layers.
  • The therapist’s use of eye positions. Understanding of how/why eye positions are used. (Relating to midbrain orienting response.)
  • The therapist’s use of breath work. How does the therapist work with client blocks related to breath work and specific breathing skills? (e.g., how to facilitate Earth Breathing when the breath gets stuck at the knee, etc.)
  • The therapist’s application of breath work.
  • The therapist’s assessment of attachment styles and their comfort and proficiency with attachment layering.
  • The therapist’s understanding of the ego state system and assessment of dissociation and 3 C’s (i.e., co-consciousness, internal communication and internal cooperation)
  • The therapist’s incorporation of Core Self in the client’s treatment process.
  • The therapist’s conceptualization, timing and use of: gestational work; upside down attachment work; the Heart Chambers protocol; and generational resources as part of their client’s treatment process.
  • The therapist’s thought process and practice in closing of sessions
  • Perpetrator work:
  • How the therapist recognizes and conceptualizes their client’s perpetrator ego states.
  • The therapists understanding of perpetrator part’s relationship to defense responses.
  • How the therapist addresses these issues in their ongoing work with clients.
  • The therapist addressing this piece in their own personal work.

Guidelines Regarding Taped CRM Processing Sessions

The therapist will be providing a minimum of three taped sessions, one at a time. The CRM consultant will use their discretion to decide if additional tapings are needed for the certification process. It is expected that with each taped session, the therapist will review their own work, taking notes and submitting those notes to the consultant, to include: the therapist’s thoughts on what unfolded in the session; the specific decision points made by the therapist in the session; information that informed the therapists choices during these decision trees; and what (if anything) the therapist would have done differently.


Re-certification is required every two years. Proof of completion of:

  • Two CRM® Trainings within the two year time period is required
  • 10 hours may be CRM clinical consultation with a CRM Consultant.
  • If a Certified CRM Practitioner does not re-certify, all the privileges of certification as listed in this document are discontinued.
  • A Certified CRM Practitioner must apply for recertification within 30 days of the expiration of his/her original certification date as listed on his/her certificate.
  • If a Certified CRM Practitioner does not apply for recertification within one (1) year of the expiration of his/her/their prior certification, then proof of 10 hours of consultation and 30 hours of CRM Continuing Education from any of the following events are required:
    • Intensive with Lisa Schwarz
    • One live training or two webinars.

Privileges of CRM® Certification

  • Listing on CRM® LCC website as a Certified CRM Practitioner
  • Authorization to call oneself a Certified CRM Practitioner on business cards, flyers, biographical sketches, curriculum vitae, resumes, etc.
  • May be granted permission by CRM® LCC when making a request to use intellectual property for any endeavor, e.g., books, courses, workshops, promotions


  • Fees are subject to change.
  • Certification:
    • Hourly consultation fees are determined by each individual consultant.
    • Video recorded session review: $110 per hour, paid directly to Certification Consultant, payable for each session reviewed.
  • $150 certification fee payable to CRM® LCC
  • Recertification: $150, payable each time recertification occurs (required every two years), payable to CRM® LCC

CRM® Certified Practitioners and Consultants

United States:

  • Elisa Elkin-Cleary:
  • Heather Hart-Kennedy:
  • Semra Kecelioglu:


  • Hazel McMahon:
  • Dawn Harris:
  • Gordon Barclay:
  • Claudia Herbert:


  • Domna Ventouratou:
  • Victoria Askaridou:

Certified CRM® Practitioners

United States:

  • Alison Papion:


  • Anastasia Nikolitsa: